DNA mark­er x2a’j is prob­a­bly the great­est DNA evi­dence for the Book of Mor­mon thus far.

X2a’j is not found in North Amer­i­ca but its impor­tance to Native Amer­i­can DNA is vir­tu­al­ly unknown. It’s the 5‑ton ele­phant in the room that researcher’s geneti­cist do not want to talk about. Out­side of the Amer­i­can con­ti­nent it’s the most close­ly relat­ed genet­ic link to a found­ing Native Amer­i­can genet­ic DNA mark­er called hap­logroup X. X2a’j is found in Iran. One would expect that if cur­rent the­o­ries about world migra­tion and DNA dat­ing are cor­rect the clos­est genet­ic links to Native Amer­i­can hap­logroup X would be in Siberia, East and cen­tral Asia. Hap­logroup X DNA relat­ed to Native Amer­i­can hap­logroup X is not found in these coun­tries. Hap­logroup X found in the Altains is not relat­ed to Native Amer­i­can hap­logroup X.

The dat­ing of hap­logroup X is trou­ble­some for the Book of Mor­mon but the geo­graph­i­cal dis­tri­b­u­tion of hap­logroup X is spot on. Galilee Druze of Israel have the most genet­ic diver­si­ty of hap­logroup X. It’s been pro­posed that this area in Israel is the place that hap­logroup x dis­persed from. For those who believe in the his­tor­i­cal nar­ra­tive of the Bible and Book of Mor­mon the idea that Native Amer­i­can DNA dis­persed from Israel match­es the scrip­tur­al nar­ra­tive of the Bible and Book of Mor­mon. But the real ques­tion becomes why would the clos­est hap­logroup X genet­ic link to Native of Amer­i­cans be in Iran?

Bor­row­ing from pre­vi­ous research the Bible and Book of Mor­mon explain as fol­lows. The tribe of Man­asseh which Lehi and Nephi are mem­bers of are invad­ed by the Assyr­i­ans and defeat­ed and half of the tribe of Man­asseh are deported.(2 Kings 17:6, 1Chronicles 5:26). In the final depor­ta­tions of Man­asseh, Sar­gon the II deports the north­ern tribes of Israel to the Assyr­i­an empire which includ­ed Media known today as the north­west part of Iran. The Medi­an tribes in 678BC made the first empire of Iran. With these depor­ta­tions it’s also believed the dis­per­sions of the lost ten tribes of Israel to the north begins.

2 Chron­i­cles 30:1–11 explains that the Tribe of Man­asseh was invit­ed back to Jerusalem to wor­ship back at the tem­ple. 2 Kings 17:34 states that they no longer wor­shipped the God of Israel, most like­ly influ­enced by the Assyr­i­an cul­ture and beliefs pro­vid­ed by the Assyr­i­ans. Lehi ances­tors very well could have been some of those invit­ed back to Jerusalem and recon­vert­ed back to their ances­tral Hebrew beliefs. Those who rebelled against Nephi such as Laman, Lemuel and the sons of Ish­mael prob­a­bly revert­ed back to pagan beliefs of Assyr­i­an ori­gin when they arrived in the promise land.

As to why this is the most con­cise DNA evi­dence for the Book of Mor­mon is twofold. There are cul­tur­al and DNA find­ings that match the Book of Mor­mon and Old Tes­ta­ment. The DNA and scrip­tur­al nar­ra­tive is noth­ing with­out the cul­tur­al evi­dence dis­played by Native Amer­i­can cul­ture. I believe not only did Lehi bring Hebrew like cul­ture but Laman and Lemuel or pos­si­bly the Mulekites brought over Assyr­i­an pagan beliefs. The Nez Pierce Indi­ans have the most con­crete exam­ples of Assyr­i­an cul­ture. The Mik Mak Indi­ans have the best exam­ples of Hebrew cul­ture.

Ancient Mesopotami­an Cuneiform tablets were found on Chief Joseph. Cuneiform dates back thou­sands of years to Mesopotamia, to what is now mod­ern day Iraq. Assyr­i­ans also used a form of cuneiform. When Chief Joseph was asked where he got the tablets he said he received them from his fore­fa­thers. The tablet was trans­lat­ed as a bill of sale for ani­mals.

Left: Inanna, Goddess of Love and Queen of Heaven. Right: Inanna in Dimlun

This is an ancient Assyr­i­an relief sculp­ture. The Assyr­i­an God Ash­er sits on his throne. In front of him is a four-point­ed star with a cir­cle in the cen­ter. Radi­at­ing out from between the four points of the star are rays of light. The rays of light radi­ate out in three rib­bons:

https://mormonbandwagon.com/files/2015/10/image080.jpg

Assyr­i­an Flag

The Assyr­i­an flag is the flag cho­sen by the Assyr­i­an peo­ple to rep­re­sent the Assyr­i­an nation in the home­land and in the dias­po­ra.

https://mormonbandwagon.com/files/2015/10/image081.jpg

Chief Joseph not only had Cuneiform tablets but his med­i­cine bag has what appears to have the Assyr­i­an Star of Ashur. The star in the mid­dle has four points and what would be the three rib­bons of light com­ing from the star.

http://www.assyriatimes.com/assyrian/knowledge/a‑common-history-of-assyrians-and-native-americans/3401

http://​www​.assyr​i​a​times​.com/​a​s​s​y​r​i​a​n​/​k​n​o​w​l​e​d​g​e​/​c​h​i​e​f​-​j​o​s​e​p​h​-​c​a​r​r​i​e​d​-​t​h​e​-​s​t​a​r​-​o​f​-​a​s​h​u​r/3461

We sur­veyed our Old World hap­logroup X mtD­NAs for the five diag­nos­tic X2a muta­tions (table 2) and found a match only for the tran­si­tion at np 12397 in a sin­gle X2* sequence from Iran. In a par­si­mo­ny tree, this Iran­ian mtD­NA would share a com­mon ances­tor with the Native Amer­i­can clade.”

(Ori­gin and Dif­fu­sion of mtD­NA hap­logroup X, http://​www​.ncbi​.nlm​.nih​.gov/​p​m​c​/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​s​/​P​M​C​1​1​80497/)

NP 12397 is X2A’J. DNA proof explain­ing the mys­tery of Nez Pierce Indi­ans hav­ing Assyr­i­an cul­ture is iron clad evi­dence in my unpro­fes­sion­al opin­ion. That Assyr­i­an cul­ture to include oth­er old world cul­ture thrived among North Amer­i­can Native Amer­i­cans.

Peo­ple have tried to explain away Chief Joseph hav­ing cuneiform tablets with seem­ing­ly impos­si­ble expla­na­tions. But to try and explain the cul­tur­al, cuneiform tablets and sup­port­ing DNA evi­dence will take a supreme effort of men­tal gym­nas­tics.

Crit­ics will point out that Native Amer­i­can hap­logroup X in North Amer­i­ca is prob­lem­at­ic it dates to between 11000–13000BC. Well before the Book of Mor­mon. This imme­di­ate­ly dis­qual­i­fies hap­logroup X as DNA evi­dence of the Book of Mor­mon unless of course dat­ing of Native Amer­i­can hap­logroup X is incor­rect. If crit­ics are able to cred­i­bly explain away the Assyr­i­an links and DNA evi­dence found in Iran then the dat­ing of hap­logroup X2a has a leg to stand on oth­er­wise. Native Amer­i­can hap­logroup X can­not be dat­ed ear­li­er then Assyr­i­an cul­ture which start­ed around 3000BC. If you fol­low the scrip­tur­al nar­ra­tive than Ken­nwick man should date after 550BC. At this point the only expla­na­tion for Native Amer­i­can Iran DNA and Assyr­i­an cul­ture is scrip­ture.

Much like the men­tal gym­nas­tics of call­ing a horse a tapir and oth­er exam­ples Mesoamer­i­can apolo­get­ics were laughed to scorn for their hope in the most unlike­li­est cir­cum­stances. Research­es best bet at this point is to con­tin­ue to ignore the DNA evi­dence and hope like Book of Mor­mon Mesoamer­i­can apol­o­gist that DNA evi­dence in their favor will arise.

To see more cul­tur­al links to the old world see link.

Tribe of Man­asseh – Native Amer­i­can DNA

To see tech­nolo­gies that are the equiv­a­lent or the same as old world tech­nolo­gies see link.

Tribe of Man­asseh – Tech­nol­o­gy and Ani­mals

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Bridgett Austin
Bridgett Austin
March 24, 2018 12:22 am

I’d like to add to this dis­cus­sion. Maybe these genes are from the giants and that’s why they are most sim­i­lar to …I don’t know what I’m sup­posed to say here… white peo­ple. I know from my dreams of my past lives that there were giants that were white with red hair and curly beards. Large lamp-like blue eyes and I was a very tall man and only came up to around his waist. He lived on an island in around Ire­land. His habi­ta­tion was a large, cir­cu­lar wood­work and it was at the high­est point. It was some kind of fes­ti­val time around March and he seemed to be the pre­sid­ing dig­ni­tary. The island was teem­ing with the locals who were of medi­um height, blond hair and blue eyes. I was not from around there and seemed much more urban and sophis­ti­cat­ed. I Was very tall, thin and had… Read more »

Wes Trexler
Admin
August 8, 2016 11:02 pm

David, I’d love to hear more about your beliefs about car­bon dat­ing. You state that the X2AJ DNA has been dat­ed through the Ken­nwick skele­ton to a range from 3750 BC to 7000 BC. I under­stand that is a large range, how­ev­er not even the youngest date in that range aligns with the Book of Mor­mon time­line. You state that “Radio car­bon dat­ing is based on know­ing how much car­bon diox­ide is in the atmos­phere at the time there dat­ing the spec­i­men to and oth­er vari­ables. I frankly do not trust their vari­ables.” That is an impor­tant vari­able, and there is sol­id evi­dence indi­cat­ing the lev­els of car­bon diox­ide (C12 and C14) in the atmos­phere back at least 8000 years. By mea­sur­ing the C12 and C14 in very old dead trees and count­ing the thou­sands of rings of those trees, along with the thou­sands of rings of recent­ly alive trees, sci­en­tists have… Read more »

Wes Trexler
Admin
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 11, 2016 9:09 am

Ok, so to clar­i­fy, you are will­ful­ly dis­re­gard­ing strong evi­dence that dis­cred­its your hypoth­e­sis, just because you don’t like it? You are cher­ry-pick­ing the evi­dence that coin­ci­den­tal­ly sup­ports your posi­tion and ignor­ing all the evi­dence that does­n’t. Your hypoth­e­sis is con­sis­tent­ly not cred­i­ble because it is based on cher­ry-pick­ing what sup­ports your posi­tion rather than con­sid­er­ing all the evi­dence for and against your posi­tion. You can cher­ry-pick evi­dence in any cul­ture and make incred­i­ble claims. Sym­bols like your “Assyr­i­an flag” are, in my opin­ion, the most like­ly coin­ci­den­tal match­es. Take for exam­ple, the Jew­ish “Star of David” — it is sup­posed evi­dence that “The Jews and all mod­ern reli­gious tra­di­tions orig­i­nat­ed in ancient India” accord­ing to this arti­cle: http://​www​.above​topse​cret​.com/​f​o​r​u​m​/​t​h​r​e​a​d​8​1​2​2​95/pg1. My point being that the use of sim­i­lar sym­bols is not gen­er­al­ly con­sid­ered evi­dence of the same ori­gin. I think we’ve all doo­dled some­thing sim­i­lar to the design on Chief Joseph’s… Read more »

Simon
July 31, 2016 6:25 pm

David,

The same hap­logroup X found in liv­ing Native Amer­i­cans was present in Native Amer­i­can pop­u­la­tions that lived 8,000 years ago. This fact demon­strates your claims are false.

molly_miller
July 30, 2016 9:58 am

Did chief Joseph live in North Amer­i­ca or Cen­tral Amer­i­ca ? One won­ders where the Book of Mor­mon peo­ple lived since we have Book of Mor­mon tours in Cen­tral Amer­i­ca

molly_miller
Reply to  Dave Mack
July 31, 2016 10:37 pm

You are right they are the­o­ries with no con­crete facts

molly_miller
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 1, 2016 12:07 pm

Mor­mons teach there god was a fall­en, exalt­ed, saved, finite man like Abra­ham, Isaac and Jacob So of course the Book of Mor­mon not true “The Gods who dwell in the Heaven…have been redeemed from the grave in a world which exist­ed before the foun­da­tions of this earth were laid. They and the Heav­en­ly body which they now inhab­it were once in a fall­en state.…they were exalt­ed also, from fall­en men to Celes­tial Gods to inhab­it their Heav­en for­ev­er and ever.” (Apos­tle Orson Pratt in The Seer, page 23) Would you think fall­en means sin­ner In the 1844 LDS pub­li­ca­tion, Times and Sea­sons, vol­ume 5, pages 613–614,… Joseph Smith reit­er­at­ed that God was an exalt­ed man and that Mor­mon men could also become Gods. This teach­ing is well doc­u­ment­ed, as is their claim that God is not a spir­it being, but that he has a body of flesh and bone.… Read more »

molly_miller
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 1, 2016 10:27 pm

James Tal­mage, a Mor­mon Apos­tle, said Psalm 82:6 is notabout becom­ing gods. “In Psalm 82:6,judges invest­ed by divine appoint­ment are called ‘gods.’ To this scrip­ture the­Sav­ior referred in His reply to the Jews in Solomon’s Porch. Judges soau­tho­rized offi­ci­at­ed as the rep­re­sen­ta­tives of God and are hon­ored by the exalt­edti­tle ‘gods.’ Com­pare the sim­i­lar appel­la­tion applied to Moses (Exo. 4:16;7:1). Jesus Christ pos­sessed divine autho­riza­tion, not through the word of God­trans­mit­ted to Him by man, but as an inher­ent attribute. The incon­sis­ten­cy ofcall­ing human judges ‘gods,’ and of ascrib­ing blas­phe­my to the Christ who­called Him­self the Son of God, would have been appar­ent to the Jews but fortheir sin-dark­ened minds.” (James Tal­mage, Jesus the Christ, p. 501). –Mor­mons often quote Psalm 82:6 which Jesus quot­ed in John 10:30–34 to show thatwe can become gods. Rather than them believ­ing the truth from a Christian,perhaps they will believe it from their own apos­tle

tapirrider
tapirrider
July 30, 2016 9:06 am

“Peo­ple have tried to explain away Chief Joseph hav­ing cuneiform tablets with seem­ing­ly impos­si­ble expla­na­tions.” Non­sense. The only source that Chief Joseph had them and the things he alleged­ly said about them came from one per­son who wrote with­out sources for Chief Joseph’s alleged words to back up her claims. Mary Gin­dling’s post does not make it so. https://web.archive.org/web/20100131104033/http://www.helium.com/items/1636848-hisdtory-mystery-chief-josephs-cuneiform-tablet The Smith­son­ian Mag­a­zine of Feb­ru­ary, 1979 gives very plau­si­ble expla­na­tions. David, just because the tablet is authen­tic does not prove that Chief Joseph ever even owned it or had it in his pos­ses­sion. Edgar James Banks brought per­haps thou­sands of those items into the Unit­ed States and sold them, long after the Bat­tle of Bear Paw. The first time the tablet showed up was at West Point in a box of items labeled as Chief Joseph’s belong­ings. It is most like­ly and the best plau­si­ble expla­na­tion, that the tablet had been… Read more »

tapirrider
tapirrider
Reply to  Dave Mack
July 31, 2016 11:16 am

David, there is no cred­i­ble cul­tur­al ties of the Nez Per­cé to Iran and your DNA claims are not in agree­ment with sci­ence. And giv­en that there is no 19th evi­dence via pho­to­graph or writ­ten doc­u­ment tying that tablet to Chief Joseph, all you have is a belief with no back­ing. Your faith is admirable but in this case it would seem mis­guid­ed.

tapirrider
tapirrider
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 1, 2016 8:21 am

No David, your alleged cul­tur­al evi­dence is not cred­i­ble. My posi­tion is not a mat­ter of denial, nor is it a prob­lem I have. The facts and evi­dence sim­ply do not sup­port your claims. I can back up my posi­tion with reli­able, cred­i­ble and rep­utable sources, while you must twist the find­ings and con­clu­sions of sci­en­tists, archae­ol­o­gists and schol­ars to fit your ideas. You have to dis­re­gard radio­car­bon dates that dis­agree with your claims and ignore the improve­ments in the mol­e­c­u­lar clock mea­sure­ment. It is a fact that you use known hoax arti­facts and you have tried to attribute that valid arti­fact tablet from Mesopotamia to Chief Joseph when there is no evi­dence that he actu­al­ly ever had it, and you do this in the face of all indi­ca­tions that it entered the Unit­ed States in the ear­ly 1900s. Denial is refus­ing to acknowl­edge cred­i­ble evi­dence, refus­ing to accept that… Read more »

tapirrider
tapirrider
Reply to  tapirrider
August 1, 2016 7:11 pm

David, I am not “try­ing to white wash” any­thing. My posi­tion is not an opin­ion, it is based on cred­i­ble evi­dence and facts, in line with the estab­lished con­sen­sus of sci­en­tists, archae­ol­o­gists, anthro­pol­o­gists, his­to­ri­ans and edu­ca­tors. The claims that you present are in error and entire­ly unnec­es­sary con­cern­ing the Book of Mor­mon. If Moroni 10:3–5 can’t estab­lish the truth then no amount of dis­tort­ed claims will either.

tapirrider
tapirrider
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 1, 2016 8:36 pm

The Book of Mor­mon isn’t hold­ing its own any­more though. Con­ver­sion rates are at an all time low, reten­tion of new con­verts is extreme­ly prob­lem­at­ic and even long time mem­bers from multi­gen­er­a­tional fam­i­lies are leav­ing. Esti­mates of active mem­bers world wide come in at only about 5 mil­lion. The major­i­ty of those active mem­bers are in Utah and sur­round­ing regions. The out­look is dis­mal. Pseu­do claims like yours, Mel­drum’s, Wayne May’s, along with Fair­Mor­mon’s divi­sive claims of two Cumorahs and Meso­camer­i­can lim­it­ed geog­ra­phy do not help. In fact they hurt because ratio­nal, edu­cat­ed, think­ing indi­vid­u­als can quick­ly see that a hoax scrip­ture can only be propped up with more dis­tor­tions. This sit­u­a­tion is sad but true. When I final­ly real­ized that the Book of Mor­mon was not what I had been taught and that the things I had taught in LDS class­es through many years were not true or real,… Read more »

tapirrider
tapirrider
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 1, 2016 10:30 pm

David, I know that the Book of Mor­mon is not true. My death will not make a work of fic­tion real for me in some pre­tend “next” life. And with that knowl­edge I also know that claims about Amer­i­can Indi­ans based on the Book of Mor­mon are not only false, they are part of the racism that I now speak out against. Please stop putting that ridicu­lous label of Cau­casian onto some of the most beau­ti­ful peo­ple in the world who need to be seen and under­stood for who they real­ly are. Stop rob­bing Amer­i­can Indi­an’s con­tri­bu­tions to the world by try­ing to claim that their ances­tors were Cau­casians. Their real ances­tors deserve full cred­it, but your fan­ta­sy his­to­ry does­n’t grant that to them. Its time for me to end my com­mu­ni­ca­tion with you because quite hon­est­ly, your twists and dis­tor­tions of sci­ence, archae­ol­o­gy and Amer­i­can Indi­an cul­tures makes my… Read more »

molly_miller
Reply to  tapirrider
August 1, 2016 10:32 pm

“What does the Bible mean by ‘you are gods’ / ‘ye are gods’ in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34?” Answer: Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word trans­lat­ed “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is Elo­him. It usu­al­ly refers to the one true God, but it does have oth­er uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God pre­sides in the great assem­bly; he gives judg­ment among the gods.” It is clear from the next three vers­es that the word “gods” refers to mag­is­trates, judges, and oth­er peo­ple who hold posi­tions of author­i­ty and rule. Call­ing a human mag­is­trate a “god” indi­cates three things: 1) he has author­i­ty over oth­er human beings, 2) the pow­er he wields as a civ­il author­i­ty is to be feared, and 3) he derives his pow­er and author­i­ty from God Him­self, who is pic­tured as judg­ing the whole earth… Read more »

molly_miller
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 2, 2016 10:25 am

The Book of Mor­mon com­plete­ly con­tra­dicts Mormonismhttp://mmilly97.wordpress.com/

tapirrider
tapirrider
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 2, 2016 8:44 pm
molly_miller
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 3, 2016 9:34 am

The Book of Mor­mon isn’t hold­ing its own any­more though. Con­ver­sion rates are at an all time low, reten­tion of new con­verts is extreme­ly prob­lem­at­ic and even long time mem­bers from multi­gen­er­a­tional fam­i­lies are leav­ing. Esti­mates of active mem­bers world wide come in at only about 5 mil­lion. The major­i­ty of those active mem­bers are in Utah and sur­round­ing regions. The out­look is dis­mal. Pseu­do claims like yours, Mel­drum’s, Wayne May’s, along with Fair­Mor­mon’s divi­sive claims of two Cumorahs and Meso­camer­i­can lim­it­ed geog­ra­phy do not help. In fact they hurt because ratio­nal, edu­cat­ed, think­ing indi­vid­u­als can quick­ly see that a hoax scrip­ture can only be propped up with more dis­tor­tions. This sit­u­a­tion is sad but true. When I final­ly real­ized that the Book of Mor­mon was not what I had been taught and that the things I had taught in LDS class­es through many years were not true or real,… Read more »

tapirrider
tapirrider
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 3, 2016 8:27 am

David, your use of the word Cau­casian is out­dat­ed and racist. Even worse, the con­text you use it in is that ancient white peo­ple in Amer­i­ca accom­plished the great­est things but were destroyed by non-Cau­casians. That theme is down­right racist, sci­en­tif­i­cal­ly false and moral­ly con­demnable. The LDS church is mak­ing efforts to water down and remove the racism of skin col­or. White now means pure, not skin col­or as explained in the LDS essays and even in offi­cial cur­ricu­lum mate­ri­als. But here comes Dave, parad­ing out Cau­casian and claim­ing that hap­logroup x is a genet­ic mark­er for it, using it to iden­ti­fy white as a genet­ic dis­tinc­tive­ness as evi­dence for proof of the Book of Mor­mon. This garbage from Dave is sick and racist. And like all oth­ers who do this kind of thing, he resorts to the most extreme pseu­do claims such as ancient giants mix­ing with peo­ple, use… Read more »

molly_miller
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 5, 2016 11:11 am

The worst sin­ners, accord­ing to Jesus, are not the har­lot­sand pub­li­cans, but the reli­gious lead­ers with their insis­tence on prop­er dres­sand groom­ing, their care­ful obser­vance of all the rules, their pre­cious con­cern­for sta­tus sym­bols, their strict legal­i­ty, their pious patriotism…the hair­cut­be­comes the test of virtue in a world where Satan deceives and rules byap­pear­ances.” Hugh Nib­ley Approach­ing Zion Vol 9

tapirrider
tapirrider
Reply to  Dave Mack
August 4, 2016 12:19 pm

David, it isn’t about me get­ting offend­ed or what I find palat­able. I gave you plen­ty of infor­ma­tion to read and explained how what you are doing is wrong. You don’t seem to get it so good­bye. I don’t have any more patience with your non­sense.