Final Thoughts

I have spent the last two years gath­er­ing evi­dence for this doc­u­ment. It has been frus­trat­ing and exhil­a­rat­ing all at the same time. There are peo­ple I need to thank, includ­ing Wayne May and Rod Mel­drum. I also thank Wes Trexler for help­ing review and edit this mate­r­i­al.

Some of the sources that I found were through crit­ics. They found help­ful infor­ma­tion dur­ing their attempts to dis­prove the Book of Mor­mon and to find sources of how Joseph Smith, Syd­ney Rig­don and Oliv­er Cow­ard­ly fab­ri­cat­ed the Book of Mor­mon. While dis­prov­ing the Mesoamer­i­can mod­el they were also pro­vid­ing evi­dence for the North Amer­i­can mod­el. Dis­count­ing the arti­facts, lan­guage, and cul­tur­al sim­i­lar­i­ties to the Hebrews will be hard­er in North Amer­i­ca than the Mesoamer­i­can mod­el. Unless I’m miss­ing some­thing impor­tant, crit­ics will have to say Joseph Smith could not have not done it by him­self; Joseph Smith, Oliv­er Cow­dery, Syd­ney Rig­don, and Mar­tin Har­ris all helped. They will have to say that they were expert arche­ol­o­gist on the Hopewell and Ade­na cul­tures. They knew they had met­al­lur­gy and woven cloth and breast plates etc. They had an intu­itive knowl­edge of the Hopewell time­line and geog­ra­phy. They were also experts on Native Amer­i­can cul­ture, their lan­guage, and beliefs from the Gulf of Mex­i­co and to the Great Lakes. They were experts on old world civ­i­liza­tions espe­cial­ly the Assyr­i­an cul­ture, their arti­facts, and writ­ing sys­tem and the 12 tribes of Israel as well as the Old tes­ta­ment. But most impor­tant­ly they also had innate knowl­edge of DNA and its dis­tri­b­u­tion. Some­how they knew the Druze of Israel and the Great Lake Indi­ans shared the same DNA. If my geog­ra­phy mod­el can be shown to be con­sis­tent through­out the Book of Mor­mon, they also would have known that what sounds like four seas is actu­al­ly six and the nar­row neck and nar­row pas­sage are two fea­tures not one, but they con­gru­ent­ly decid­ed not to tell any­body these cru­cial bits of infor­ma­tion.

Cher­ry Pick­ing Data

One will notice that the dates giv­en pre-4000BC match up with Book of Mor­mon. The Prob­lem lies with dates beyond 4000BC. The dates that deal with DNA, North Amer­i­can land mam­mals and the pop­u­lat­ing of North and South Amer­i­ca don’t line up. How is it that I use dates that are in line with Book of Mor­mon and dates that are not in line with the Book of Mor­mon are ignored? The best answer for believ­ers is that I do not believe that human life as we know it exist­ed beyond 4000BC years. Although I do believe that the earth is bil­lions of years old, I believe that human life began with Adam and Eve and not evo­lu­tion. So dat­ing past 4000BC is irrel­e­vant. This is not a sci­en­tif­ic research paper done by a pro­fes­sion­al that I’m sure every­one has noticed. I have faith that radio car­bon dat­ing past 4000BC years is wrong — how I’m going to prove that some­day I don’t know but at this point it does not mat­ter.

Data Sources

http://​www​.eupe​dia​.com/​e​u​r​o​p​e​/​H​a​p​l​o​g​r​o​u​p​_​X​_​m​t​D​N​A​.​s​h​tml

The Pres­ence of Mito­chon­dr­i­al hap­logroup X in Alta­ians from South Siberia

Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001

http://​www​.smith​so​ni​an​mag​.com/​s​c​i​e​n​c​e​-​n​a​t​u​r​e​/​D​N​A​-​s​e​a​r​c​h​-​f​i​r​s​t​-​a​m​e​r​i​c​a​n​s​-​l​i​n​k​s​-​a​m​a​z​o​n​-​i​n​d​i​g​e​n​o​u​s​-​a​u​s​t​r​a​l​i​a​n​s​-​1​8​0​9​5​5​9​7​6​/​?​n​o​-​ist

MtD­NA hap­logroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North Amer­i­ca

Michael D. Brown,1 Seyed H. Hosseini,1 Anto­nio Torroni,2 Hans-Ju¨rgenBandelt,3 Jon C. Allen,1 Theodore G. Schurr,1 Rosaria Scozzari,2 Ful­vio Cruciani,2 and Dou­glas C. Wallace1

https://​markgel​bart​.word​press​.com/​2​0​1​0​/​0​6​/​1​1​/​w​e​r​e​-​t​h​e​r​e​-​t​h​r​e​e​-​s​p​e​c​i​e​s​-​o​f​-​b​o​v​i​n​e​-​r​o​a​m​i​n​g​-​s​o​u​t​h​e​a​s​t​e​r​n​-​n​o​r​t​h​-​a​m​e​r​i​c​a​-​d​u​r​i​n​g​-​t​h​e​-​l​a​t​e​-​p​l​e​i​s​t​o​c​e​ne/

http://​pid​ba​.org/​c​o​n​t​e​n​t​/​f​l​u​t​e​d​.​JPG

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_spear_points

http://​www​.sci​encedi​rect​.com/​s​c​i​e​n​c​e​/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​/​p​i​i​/​S​0​0​0​2​9​2​9​7​0​7​6​1​6​292

Great Surprise”—Native Amer­i­cans Have West Eurasian Ori­gins

http://​news​.nation​al​geo​graph​ic​.com/​n​e​w​s​/​2​0​1​3​/​1​1​/​1​3​1​1​2​0​-​s​c​i​e​n​c​e​-​n​a​t​i​v​e​-​a​m​e​r​i​c​a​n​-​p​e​o​p​l​e​-​m​i​g​r​a​t​i​o​n​-​s​i​b​e​r​i​a​-​g​e​n​e​t​i​cs/

Ori­gin and Dif­fu­sion of mtD­NA hap­logroup X

http://​www​.ncbi​.nlm​.nih​.gov/​p​m​c​/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​s​/​P​M​C​1​1​8​0​4​97/

http://​www​.aca​d​e​mi​c​room​.com/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​/​i​d​e​n​t​i​f​i​c​a​t​i​o​n​-​h​o​r​s​e​-​e​x​p​l​o​i​t​a​t​i​o​n​-​c​l​o​v​i​s​-​h​u​n​t​e​r​s​-​b​a​s​e​d​-​p​r​o​t​e​i​n​-​a​n​a​l​y​sis

The Dover Mound by William S Webb and Charles Snow

(In Mohawk Coun­try: Ear­ly Nar­ra­tives about a Native Peo­ple

By Dean R. Snow, Charles T. Gehring, William A. Star­na)

https://​en​.wikipedia​.org/​w​i​k​i​/​G​r​e​a​t​_​H​o​p​e​w​e​l​l​_​R​oad

http://​www​.ncbi​.nlm​.nih​.gov/​p​m​c​/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​s​/​P​M​C​1​7​1​2​5​4​1​/​p​d​f​/​a​j​h​g​0​0​0​0​1​-​0​2​6​8​.​pdf

The Ade­na Peo­ple

By William S. Webb, Charles E. Snow, James B. Grif­fin

The Scioto Hopewell and Their Neigh­bors: Bioar­chae­o­log­i­cal Doc­u­men­ta­tion and Cul­tur­al Under­stand­ing

By Daniel Troy Case, Christo­pher Carr

https://​en​.wikipedia​.org/​w​i​k​i​/​A​d​e​n​a​_​c​u​l​t​ure

Mounds for the Dead, by Don Dra­goo

http://​blogs​.dis​cov​er​magazine​.com/​d​-​b​r​i​e​f​/​2​0​1​3​/​1​1​/​2​0​/​a​n​c​i​e​n​t​-​s​i​b​e​r​i​a​n​-​g​e​n​o​m​e​-​s​h​e​d​s​-​l​i​g​h​t​-​o​n​-​n​a​t​i​v​e​-​a​m​e​r​i​c​a​n​-​o​r​i​g​i​ns/

http://​www​.ncbi​.nlm​.nih​.gov/​p​m​c​/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​s​/​P​M​C​3​7​9​1​19/

First Amer­i­cans arrived as 2 sep­a­rate migra­tions, accord­ing to new genet­ic evi­dence

http://​www​.sci​encedai​ly​.com/​r​e​l​e​a​s​e​s​/​2​0​0​9​/​0​1​/​0​9​0​1​0​8​1​2​1​6​1​8​.​htm

Twelve Mil­len­nia: Archae­ol­o­gy of the Upper Mis­sis­sip­pi Riv­er Val­ley

By James L Thel­er and Robert F Boszhardt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_Serpent

http://​apps​.ohio​his​to​ry​.org/​o​h​i​o​a​r​c​h​a​e​o​l​o​g​y​/​t​o​p​-​t​e​n​-​m​a​s​t​e​r​p​i​e​c​e​s​-​o​f​-​t​h​e​-​h​o​p​e​w​e​l​l​-​c​u​l​t​u​r​e​-​r​e​v​e​a​l​ed/

http://​www​.npr​.org/​2​0​1​1​/​0​1​/​0​3​/​1​3​2​4​1​2​1​1​2​/​t​h​e​-​p​r​e​h​i​s​t​o​r​i​c​-​t​r​e​a​s​u​r​e​-​i​n​-​t​h​e​-​f​i​e​l​d​s​-​o​f​-​i​n​d​i​ana

A Most Indis­pens­able Art: Native Fiber Indus­tries from East­ern North Amer­i­ca

By James B. Petersen

Writ­ings of Caleb Atwa­ter

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​w​r​i​t​i​n​g​s​o​f​c​a​l​e​b​a​0​0​a​twa

New Rela­tions of Gaspe­sia by Father Chret­ian Le Cler­cq

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​n​e​w​r​e​l​a​t​i​o​n​o​f​g​a​s​0​5​l​ecl

Views of Louisiana by Hen­ry M. Brack­en­ridge

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​v​i​e​w​s​o​f​l​o​u​i​s​i​a​n​a​0​0​i​n​b​rac

The Nat­ur­al and Abo­rig­i­nal His­to­ry of Ten­nessee by John Hay­wood

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​n​a​t​u​r​a​l​a​b​o​r​i​g​i​n​a​0​0​h​ayw

Ancient His­to­ry of the six Nations by David Cusick

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​d​a​v​i​d​c​u​s​i​c​k​s​s​k​e​t​0​0​c​usi

A Star in the West by Elias Boudinot

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​s​t​a​r​i​n​w​e​s​t​o​r​h​u​m​b​0​0​b​o​u​d​a​rch

Myths of the Chero­kees by James Mooney

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​c​u​3​1​9​2​4​1​0​4​0​8​0​076

New Views of the Ori­gins of the Tribe and Nations of Amer­i­ca by Ben­jamin Bar­ton

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​c​i​h​m​_​4​2​881

Life of Joseph Brant-Thayen­da­negea: by William Stone

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​l​i​f​e​j​o​s​e​p​h​b​r​a​n​t​0​3​s​t​o​n​g​oog

On the Abo­rig­ines of the West­ern Coun­tries by M.H. Frost

https://books.google.com/books?id=HlEoAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=Colonel+Joseph+Daviess,+when+at+St.+Louis+in+1800,&source=bl&ots=1-KX4HYPRl&sig=iElRCy9Yhq90k9Xp5dxQYcnUHag&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Q1LzVIzfFaz7sAT0j4GADw&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Colonel%20Josephe h%20Daviess%2C%20when%20at%20St.%20Louis%20in%201800%2C&f=false

The His­to­ry of the Amer­i­can Indi­ans; by James Adair https://books.google.com/books?id=g7BIfx47bLYC&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=Tuccabatchey-square,+27th+July,+1759,+per+Will,+Bolsover.&source=bl&ots=nRatig0Y0i&sig=sseXSfllLloQxSGHLIinwf0D2_8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=El3zVIHXLrWBsQS0m4KIDQ&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tuccabatchey-square%2C%2027th%20July%2C%201759%2C%20per%20Will%2C%20Bolsover.&f=false

Leg­ends of the Mic­mac by Silas T Rand

https://​archive​.org/​s​t​r​e​a​m​/​c​i​h​m​_​1​2​3​0​5​#​p​a​g​e​/​n​1​3​/​m​o​d​e​/​2up

The Coro­n­a­do expe­di­tion

https://​books​.google​.com/​b​o​o​k​s​?​i​d​=​f​S​E​Q​A​Q​A​A​M​A​A​J​&​p​g​=​P​A​1​3​9​&​l​p​g​=​P​A​1​3​9​&​d​q​=​A​u​t​m​o​i​n​s​&​s​o​u​r​c​e​=​b​l​&​o​t​s​=​G​n​B​j​K​a​0​i​6​w​&​s​i​g​=​M​m​9​O​2​E​O​F​z​Y​g​a​5​L​b​I​3​N​E​P​T​o​Y​p​f​h​s​&​h​l​=​e​n​&​s​a​=​X​&​e​i​=​x​I​a​X​V​N​n​t​L​c​-​0​o​Q​T​I​w​Y​G​A​C​w​&​v​e​d​=​0​C​D​g​Q​6​A​E​w​B​Q​#​v​=​o​n​e​p​a​g​e​&​q​=​c​r​o​s​s​&​f​=​f​a​lse

Voy­age to Car­oli­na by John Law­son

http://​doc​south​.unc​.edu/​n​c​/​l​a​w​s​o​n​/​l​a​w​s​o​n​.​h​tml

Prob­lems of the Ohio Mounds by Cyrus Thomas

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​p​r​o​b​l​e​m​o​f​o​h​i​o​m​o​u​0​0​t​hom

The Hopewell Mound Group of Ohio< Vol­ume 6, Issue 5 by War­ren King Moore­head

https://​books​.google​.com/​b​o​o​k​s​?​i​d​=​5​2​9​B​A​Q​A​A​M​A​A​J​&​p​g​=​P​A​1​7​0​&​d​q​=​h​o​p​e​w​e​l​l​+​i​n​d​i​a​n​+​c​l​o​t​h​&​h​l​=​e​n​&​s​a​=​X​&​e​i​=​8​2​y​P​V​b​s​J​y​b​S​i​B​I​C​e​r​O​g​D​&​v​e​d​=​0​C​D​w​Q​6​A​E​w​B​A​#​v​=​o​n​e​p​a​g​e​&​q​=​c​l​o​t​h​&​f​=​f​a​lse

His­to­ry, man­ners, and cus­toms of the Indi­an nations who once inhab­it­ed Penn­syl­va­nia and the neigh­bor­ing states By John Heck­ewelder

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​h​i​s​t​m​a​n​n​e​r​s​c​u​s​t​0​0​h​e​c​k​r​ich

The Ten­nessee Mound Builders by Joseph Jones

http://​www​.jstor​.org/​s​t​a​b​l​e​/​2​4​4​7​098

Foot-prints of van­ished races in the Mis­sis­sip­pi val­ley by Alban Conant

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​f​o​o​t​p​r​i​n​t​s​o​f​v​a​n​i​0​0​c​o​n​a​u​oft

HISTORY OF THE OJIBWAYS, BASED UPON TRADITIONS AND ORAL STATEMENTS by War­ren Williams

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​h​i​s​t​o​r​y​o​j​i​b​w​a​y​s​0​0​n​i​e​l​g​oog

The Iowa by William Har­vey Min­er

http://​www​.guten​berg​.org/​w​p​-​c​o​n​t​e​n​t​/​u​p​l​o​a​d​s​/​3​9​9​5​2​/​3​9​9​5​2​-​h​/​3​9​9​5​2​-​h​.​htm

Abo­rig­i­nal mon­u­ments of the state of New-York. Com­pris­ing the results of orig­i­nal sur­veys and explo­rations by E.G. Squier

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​c​u​3​1​9​2​4​1​0​4​0​7​5​308

The Mound Builders Their Work and Relics by Rev Stephen D Peet PhD

https://​archive​.org/​d​e​t​a​i​l​s​/​m​o​u​n​d​b​u​i​l​d​e​r​s​0​0​p​e​e​t​r​ich

Link is for Greek lan­guage Book of Mor­mon ties

http://​pack​ham​.n4m​.org/​l​i​n​g​u​i​s​t​.​htm

http://​www​.phoenix​ma​son​ry​.org/​n​a​t​i​v​e​_​a​m​e​r​i​c​a​n​_​r​i​t​u​a​l​s​.​htm

Series Nav­i­ga­tion: North Amer­i­can Book of Mor­mon Geog­ra­phy — David McK­ane« Tribe of Man­asseh — Geog­ra­phy Map and Sup­port­ing Vers­es

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Here are a few things about the Hopewell that must be con­sid­ered when try­ing to claim they were the peo­ple of the Book of Mor­mon. A quick overview is that the Hopewell did not grow corn, it came after. They did not grow wheat either. They grew crops that were domes­ti­cat­ed in the East­ern U.S., inde­pen­dent of the plant domes­ti­ca­tions in Meso-Amer­i­ca and South Amer­i­ca. Their plants were already domes­ti­cat­ed before the time of Lehi’s alleged arrival. See “East­ern North Amer­i­ca as an inde­pen­dent cen­ter of plant domes­ti­ca­tion”. http://​www​.pnas​.org/​c​o​n​t​e​n​t​/​1​0​3​/​3​3​/​1​2​2​2​3​.​f​u​l​l​.​pdf DNA stud­ies tie the Hopewell to liv­ing peo­ple, most close­ly to the East­ern Sioux, Cheyenne, and Ara­pa­ho. Makes a per­son won­der why the tem­ple ded­i­ca­tion for the Bis­mark North Dako­ta tem­ple nev­er men­tioned Laman­ites or descen­dants from Father Lehi. See “New Study of Ancient DNA Reveals Pop­u­la­tion His­to­ry of North­east­ern North Amer­i­ca” http://​ohio​his​to​ry​.word​press​.com/​2​0​0​8​/​0​9​/​0​4​/​n​e​w​-​s​t​u​d​y​-​o​f​-​a​n​c​i​e​n​t​-​d​n​a​-​r​e​v​e​a​l​s​-​p​o​p​u​l​a​t​i​o​n​-​h​i​s​t​o​r​y​-​o​f​-​n​o​r​t​h​e​a​s​t​e​r​n​-​n​o​r​t​h​-​a​m​e​r​i​ca/ The study men­tioned above is titled “Using Ancient… Read more »

Dave
Dave

Yeah , I will have to agree on the Wis­con­sin horse. A blog is not good doc­u­men­taion to con­firm or deny. I have to dis­agree with the Newark holy stones. How can this be con­firmed? Where is the evi­dence? Opin­ions can only be con­sid­ered as hearsay and not fact. If you have proof that Wyric hoxed the stones, I wel­come your input. Here is an ati­cle that list the facts. http://​sat​ur​ni​an​cos​mol​o​gy​.org/​f​i​l​e​s​/​.​c​d​r​o​m​/​j​o​u​r​n​a​l​s​/​h​o​r​u​s​/​v​0​2​0​3​/​h​o​r​u​s​0​6​.​htm

Dave
Dave

here is the link: http://​www​.s8int​.com/​t​r​u​e​s​u​p​p​r​e​s​s​i​o​n​s​3​.​h​tml scroll down to don’t need to car­bon date the farmer horse.

Thanks Dave. It is not the Spencer Lake horse skull, so that is now clar­i­fied. It appears those bones in your link were final­ly radio­car­bon dat­ed. See this link. http://​www​.ancient​lost​trea​sures​.com/​f​o​r​u​m​/​v​i​e​w​t​o​p​i​c​.​p​h​p​?​f​=​5​0​&​t​=​1​201 Post Number:#3 Post­by Won­HooSeeks » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:02 pm After con­tact­ing the UWMilw. per­son that has over­sight of these horse bones, I received this reply, list­ed below in it’s entire­ty. Won Tue 22/08/2006 1) There was indeed a horse found in a bur­ial mound exca­vat­ed by WC McK­ern in the ear­ly part of the 20th cen­tu­ry. Horse and cow bones are very com­mon dis­cov­er­ies at archae­o­log­i­cal sites locat­ed on mod­ern farms, and their pres­ence by them­selves isn’t impor­tant. What is impor­tant is the strati­graph­ic con­text of the bones. 2) McK­ern (a major fig­ure in mid­west­ern archae­ol­o­gy) con­sid­ered the horse to be a mod­ern bur­ial (i.e., a post-euro­pean depo­si­tion), based on the archae­o­log­i­cal deposits. The stratig­ra­phy showed that the… Read more »

After study­ing this a lit­tle more, I have changed my mind. It appears to be the Spencer Lake hoax skull, as that was found by McK­ern as men­tioned in the 2006 reply report­ed by Won.

The link you gave con­tains many ques­tion­able claims such as the Newark Stones (a con­firmed hoax), and I’m sus­pi­cious that the claim of the horse was found in 1985, rather I sus­pect it is real­ly about the ear­li­er Spencer Lake skull. One of the prob­lems with sources like that link is that it doesn’t give ref­er­ences that can be checked. It is just state­ments and claims with no way to ver­i­fy. Until bet­ter sources are pro­vid­ed, I’m going to con­sid­er it the Spencer Lake skull.
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Dave
Dave

I thought they did pub­lish the horse dates but could be a dif­fer­ent case. Look at the horse con­spir­a­cy site: http://​thewil​d​horsec​on​spir​a​cy​.org/​2​0​1​3​/​0​7​/​0​2​/​e​x​c​i​t​i​n​g​-​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​-​a​b​o​u​t​-​b​y​-​p​h​d​-​s​t​e​v​e​n​-​j​o​n​e​s​-​r​e​-​m​o​r​e​-​r​e​c​e​n​t​-​s​u​r​v​i​v​i​n​g​-​n​a​t​i​v​e​-​h​o​r​s​e​-​i​n​-​n​o​r​t​h​-​a​m​e​r​i​ca/ Hors­es dat­ed before Colum­bus and after 11,000 BC. The point is this is a good dis­cus­sion that shouldn’t be ignored by most acad­e­mia. So is it pos­si­ble the Chi­nese explor­ers brought them, yes. Is it pos­si­ble that the Viking brought the horse to Amer­i­ca, yes. And is it pos­si­ble they nev­er went extinct, Yes. The prob­lem I have with the sta­tus quo is they are close mind­ed to any oth­er pos­si­bil­i­ty and can’t under­stand that the­o­ries are not fact until enough evi­dence is col­lect. I don’t think you can call some­thing as fact when you con­tra­dict­ing evi­dence. I have seen very lit­tle sci­en­tif­ic evi­dence to sug­gest the hors­es when extinct and find more evi­dence sug­gest­ing the con­trary.

Dave, I must ask again. Could you please tell me the arti­cle that you read about the Wis­con­sin archae­ol­o­gist who found the Indi­an pony in a bur­ial mound? Where was it found? Let’s get your source and make sure it isn’t the same one that has been repeat­ed but is bogus.

Dave
Dave

I have read that salt water can leache the car­bon-14 from arche­o­log­i­cal Objects mak­ing them appear old­er. Thus if the flood did hap­pen cov­er­ing the whole earth it is pos­si­ble that the flood is the cause for some objects or humans bones hav­ing dates old­er than 4000BC. I find the pre­vi­ous post chal­lenge humor­ous to accept arche­o­log­i­cal evi­dence as absolute. When in fact there is lit­tle evi­dence to sup­port such the­o­ries as the beringia the­o­ry as fact. In fact I wouldn’t call most these sci­en­tists who sup­port this thought as the­o­rists because the the­o­ry is more impor­tant than the evi­dence. For exam­ple I read in arti­cle the oth­er day how Wis­con­sin arche­ol­o­gist found an Indi­an pony in a Native Amer­i­can bur­ial mound and assumed with­out any evi­dence that a farmer buried the horse in the mound because every body knows no hors­es before Colum­bus. The “no hors­es before Colum­bus” is… Read more »

Dave, the car­bon-14 claims you make do not hold up to seri­ous study. You can eas­i­ly research the facts if you do so with­out bias. But what con­cerns me most right now is your state­ment about the Wis­con­sin horse skull hoax. Please don’t con­tin­ue to repeat that one, too many LDS mem­bers have fall­en for it and it needs to stop. Here are some facts with sources, please con­sid­er them and stop the spread of bogus claims. In 1935 a horse skull was found in a Wis­con­sin mound. In 1936 a col­lege stu­dent found out about the skull. He con­fessed that when he was in his teens he and a friend had buried that skull in the mound. Like teens today, they laughed what some­one would think if they found it two hun­dred years lat­er but as an adult he want­ed to make things right. The con­fes­sion did not get… Read more »

Was
Was

I was impressed by the effort put into this until I got to the con­clu­sion.

I do not believe that human life as we know it exist­ed beyond 4000BC years.”

That is a rather big pre-con­di­tion to put on any gen­uine open-mind­ed research.

David, you have faith that radio car­bon dat­ing past 4000BC years is wrong. This sin­gle state­ment in your con­clu­sion sets the stage for how dif­fi­cult It will be to dis­prove all of your claims to you, in a man­ner that will meet your sat­is­fac­tion. On the oth­er hand, all of your claims have been dis­proved to the sat­is­fac­tion of sci­en­tists, archae­ol­o­gists, his­to­ri­ans, etc. Are you pre­pared to accept actu­al evi­dence with­out bias? Because if not, there is no point try­ing to dis­prove any­thing fur­ther to you. But if you are inter­est­ed in truth no mat­ter what the out­come might be and no mat­ter what you have faith in right now, if you are will­ing to dis­card your faith if it is proven wrong, I can help steer you to many cred­i­ble sources con­cern­ing your claims. Are you will­ing to face that chal­lenge? If not, let’s wait until you are.